| Rick K |
| | 03/05/06 at 12:37 PM | | #1 |
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. It has been a sparse few months of PROFITPOKER, due to many employment adjustments along Lake erie's southern shore, requiring my time... . "the more things change, the more they stay the same" surely mirrors the poker play from yesterday's tables. . I enter the "poker room" which had three tables of 10/20 KILL going, while a daily tournament was about 1/2 finished. . Already, the smoke would make one cough upon walking to the sign-up list. . Since this is not a public casino, there are NO RULES on many actions. . There are local police hired off duty for security at $25 an hour. . I see one of my MARKS, and enter play at that table. sadly, ha, this mark is ever aware I see a TARGET on his head. . After only one hand where I beat him, by a better kicker, he makes a table change. . I thanked him for his DONATION, and I will see him later. We are freinds, so this was taken with a laugh. . A point of this day at the tables, is players have that psychological make-up, of which, only by well thoughout manuevers of play, a leopard does not change their spots. . A No Limit game started around 4 pm. my mark was signed up for this table, from which he took about $5,000 profit home the night before. . Now, since we have been guided b John Patrick to mold our TOTAL gambling package, charting the no limit table is a MUST. . As we all know, there are better tables than others to choose to do battle. . This no limit table was not too different from many of the higher limit games, because, as noted , a leopard does not change it's spots, and their are only a few hundred poker players of distinction in the quad state area. . Preflop, one could expect at least $50 to be the price of staying in the hand. . The flop could be another $300, with the turn another $500. . The river is all action, with no holds barred. . These players live for the action. Now my "mark" is an international poker tournament player, and he has more $$$ than most. . this is a weapon he is greatly skilled in aapplying, knowing what it takes to get players to fold, without over betting and risking too much. . In poker 101, one learns of players who constantly bet ALL-IN, because they do not have the skill nor aquired knowledge to deduce the correct betting amount. for that particular hand, positon, and player. . .Now, back to John's instructional life we use for our example. . After grinding out our day's pay, at various levels, would one enter a game where the amounts are greatly more than one uses to aquire one's bankroll? . WHY? . That is exactly what John asked me a year or two ago, when I mentioned going up in limits. . What is it one wishes to achieve? . Would more money of a higher limit change one's life? . Is the risk worth the reward? . Is the psychological stress of the bankroll swings so detrimental to the mind, one would want to quit all together? . I passed on this particular no limit game. I have NO EGO, but but again, what was my goal when I left for the piokerr room? . Not socializing... . Not to be praised for outplaying a hand... . TO MAKE A DAY"S PAY, while protecting a bankroll!!!!!!!!!!! . On the limit table I was at, in four hours, my PAY was just over $200, and I headed home. . Also, that evening there was a home No Limit tournament of ten players I was invited to. It was $2,500 buy-in . I would be almost the same players who were at the No limit table I just discused. . No Thanks... . Being disciplined is a good feeling, especially on the way back home... . NOT BEING DISCIPLINED eats at my being for a week and MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! . This leopard was trained at the 'PATRICK SCHOOL OF DISCILPINE', . and the spots will not change! . How "lucky" (I hate that word) to have learned the RIGHT gambling life... . Rick K |
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| JOHN PATRICK |
| | 03/05/06 at 01:19 PM | | #2 |
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Rick As usual, an excellent post, concentrating on the psychological make up of "why we gamble".........and yes, I do remember our chats, where we kicked around the fact that you, being sucessful at the limit games.......... decided to enter the mine fields of no limit play, where the people are many many many times compared to the guy you mentioned above ....... The "comfort zone" you mentioned on your way home with $200 as your day's pay is truly the UTOPIA I wish all eager beaver wanna be poker players would consider ............I really remember those talks where I admitted that even though I play poker every day on line............ and 3-4 nites a week with live action, I never succumb to my stupid youth, thinking I can break every game I enter ..........that $200 a day sounded good and IS GOOD for my tastes ....... I KNOW that many will think I am full of it, when I readily admit that I run like a rabbit as soon as my poker profits for the day (on line) hit the double century mark...........or that $300 has found its way into the stacks of players who, for that session, proved they were better than me......... For those of you who read Rick's (always) informative Sunday messages ............I hope you think twice about attacking these games (no limit) with the temping aspects of big returns .......... Just read over his post, where he did not go into any specific hand or hands he played ................but went into the MIND GAME approach, where he fought the demon of playing in the higher stakes games and .....SETTLED........for a solid days pay............ Give me that $200 every day...........even half of it ............. Rick.............great PSYCHOLOGICAL message..........I hope it is not lost on those who have not come to grips with the fact that the violent world of gambling (in this case poker), does not have to be a situation where one puts him/herself in the path of an oncoming gigantic (loss) train.............. JOHN PATRICK |
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| Rick K |
| | 03/12/06 at 09:46 AM | | #3 |
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. . Thanks for the input, John. . The more Gambling Profits are relied upon, every single warning and instruction you've laid out on the stone tablets replays in one's mind . as . .................. 'GUIDELINES TO SUCCEED' ..................... . This is traveling to a remote, secluded island to hook up with Pamela Anderson, ( Dolly Parton 4 you John ) only to find one's boat's engine is cooked, and you are at the wrong island, all alone... stranded. . The tanget of a gambler's life is a lone wolf for sure, as it pertains to BANKROLL. . Sustaining, Building, and utilizing... . Lately, the area Poker games are not the best opportunities to do battle.. . .One of a POKER player's make-up to PROFITS, consists of CONTROL . Control the poker table . Control one's descision making . Control one's emotions . Control WHICH game to enter . Control when NOT to enter a table . The latter has resulted in a stretch of NO poker play for a week. . Since my location is not in the vicinity of a stretch of casinos, there may be ten tables available here and there in a hundred mile radius, with another 20 or so another hundred miles away. . I remember John mentionuing he has traveled to AC, and after charting the casino, He returned home without a bet. . That has been what transpired this past week. . Control of one's bankroll. . Which brings me to the point ( finally ) . . In the scope of using Gambling Profits to sustain my meager lifestyle (!) . Without income for a week shows the BIG difference from the "day Job". . BUT, since it is NEVER CORRECT to make the wrong "move" ( bet ). . Not playing where conditons are not conducive to Profit takling is actually a plus. . If I did so, from my evaluations, my bankroll would be even less. . LIMITING LOSSES . Living off of gambling, I find doing whatever it takes to NOT make mistakes. . As "funny" as it sounds, it has meant not entering the arena that day. . Brutal, perhaps best describes the day of accomplishment, then do it all over again the next day..... . Rick K |
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| Brennan |
| | 03/12/06 at 10:15 AM | | #4 |
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I remember John mentionuing he has traveled to AC, and after charting the casino, He returned home without a bet...................... and being sports bettor first,got busy to view bet lines................. Rick K, in situation like yours,do you ever feel the necessity to have other gambling venue? For how long can you exercise this option not to play? Could it lead to loss of confidence? IS relocation to more plentiful area possibility? Admire your discipline ! - as an amatuer,can't appreciate enough the luxury - and often relief - not to play/bet. brennan |
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| Rick K |
| | 03/12/06 at 12:42 PM | | #5 |
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. . hey Br. . Sports betting, as you do quite well, is something i will not be aquring in the near future. . However, some of your questions, were extracted from my post of what I truely was eluding to. . Your are extremely perceptive!!!! . 1) Other Gambling venues? . Yes, I have changed my home office ( spare bedroom ) back into . "TREND CENTRAL" where I CHART stocks and have restarted that avenue again. . Interesting enough, from your question, I have planned a casino run this week, to hit the craps and roulette tables where advantageous a TREND. . 2) How long NOT to play. . As stated, NOT playing in an unfavorable situation to obtain PROFIT is a must. for me. I label that under DISCIPLINE. . For me, there cannot be any wateredown compromising on this stand. . Those "etched in stone tablets" laws of PROFITABILITY are unwavering. . In the earlier years, any compromising ended in such a STUPID feeling all the ay back home with my tail between my legs. . As Bones has stated, "be a better player today than I was yesterday". . Again, going back and adding craps and roulette, ( Bac not offered in 2 1/5 hour drive) will bring back more avunues to catch a TREND. . 3) Lead to lost confidence . No way, actually, this cements one's confidence in being DISCIPLINED . 4) Relocation . This will be looked at down the road, but not at this time. . You are VERY in tune to just where people are at, as you read their posts. . BR. . Pehaps a quality poker player is your future? . Rick K |
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| brennan |
| | 03/12/06 at 02:05 PM | | #6 |
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Thank you RIck, losses,unavoidable part of gambling,are not all that bad, when kept under the lid.It's not the win that keeps me sharp, it's the loss,that re-enforce to get my act together. You have it perfectly right - leopard!You have learned & found the ways how to nourish mental wellbeing.! (....ears down coming home.......interesting,that I have long forgotten my large wins,but NEVER the losses,some very fresh after many years.........I don't mean money,I mean feelings hurt, caused by not by bad beats,but my own stupidity) There is no poker in my future,the way you know it. Life is a poker,that's good enough for me.Did not grew up with the game,my subconsious base is empty without experience,nothing to reach for,in time of need,I am a feel player,and with only "mechanical" know-how, I would only be a poker embrio for rest of my life. After all,golf is my true love,'tho my skill don't match my passion for the game................. brennan |
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| James Fritz |
| | 03/12/06 at 05:34 PM | | #7 |
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Hey there group. Rick K, I've noticed that you've been doing very good at hold'em poker and especially in cash game tournaments, and I wish you best of luck with WSOP. Brennan, keep up the solid work with sports betting. I have John's book on sports betting now, so I'm starting to get the hang of it better. John Partick, thanks for helping my friends, myself and coworkers who gamble and keeping them from not being total idiots with their bankrolls and money management. I'm starting to get through to them on knowledge of the game. Good luck with WSOP John and I hope you will take a shot at the Stud Hi/Lo bracelet. I think you're capable of a 10% cut, you've played for so long and that experience does make a difference in a 10% cut tournament. James Fritz |
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| Rick K |
| | 04/05/09 at 02:12 PM | | #8 |
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After reading of the "psycho" gambler stuff, I did a search on the site.
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To prevent the mind from altering Action, I found one post of ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,CONTROL,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Having the plan in place for EVERY move. One must know what one would do when faced with a situation.
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if it is not in the plan, it cannot be played.
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This protects the deviation of correct play.
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Yesterday, while at a (NO LIMIT) cash poker game, I played as best as one could, but I broke even, and left the room.
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No move would have been played differently, as I replayed every situation.
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Even doing everything correctly, one can and will have losing days.
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This is a deciding difference when Gambling is compared to a "normal' day job.
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One cannot CONTROL which card will hit the river, but one control being the favorite when the card is revealed.
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Making ther correct "moves' to be in the best situation and then the saying " let the cards fall as the may". Even better when betting the amount , when the favorite, to have a player fold their hand right there. If they do call, you know they are the dog.
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I am glad one can research the past " dialogue" on this board!
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| Damian Housman |
| | 04/05/09 at 02:56 PM | | #9 |
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Rick,
Are you playing in the WSOP this summer? If so, I missed that post. I will be there too. I have entered event 4, and will get into three others.
If you change venues, Las Vegas is a very good place to be for poker. We have a large assortment of casinos with good poker rooms, including the one I usually go to, Red Rock.
Reno isn't bad from what I've heard.
This isn't a bad time to move here. Home prices are down where they ought to be, and will take a little while to recover. |
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| Rick K |
| | 04/08/09 at 09:20 PM | | #10 |
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.Hey Damian,
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No plans to be out that way, as of today.
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If I will be there for a day or few, I will let you know. Good playing to you, on your entry( ies )
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Maybe one day, but not in the nearest future. |
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| Damian Housman |
| | 04/09/09 at 11:34 PM | | #11 |
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Rick,
Please do head here for the WSOP. It will be a great experience.
I'm now registered for event 4 (NLHE), and event 43 (Seniors Championship NLHE). I expect to also register for event 16 (7-s) and 51 (NLHE).
Don't know if you knew it, but Doyle's Room is back. A couple of years ago they dropped US members. Then they took them back, except for people from states that had specific laws against what they do ... like Nevada!!! A few weeks ago I found out they are taking us Nevadans again, and rejoined.
One thing I really like there is the WSOP Main Event ladder tournament. $7.50 gets you into step 1. Top two finishers in a 10-way sit and go get step 2, then step 3. Winning there gets you to the weekly final, which is where you can win your seat.
I've been up and down the ladders a few times, so $7.50 doesn't really cover me after all those tries. But now I'm back at step 3. We'l see what happens.
They also have tournaments for event 54, so it's not just one event anymore.
So what the heck, come on in, the water's fine! |
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| Rick K |
| | 04/19/09 at 12:08 PM | | #12 |
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A courtcase from a Raid on a "charity" event a city was holding for a memorial steet, which always flies 500 american flags, recently took place.
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The STATE police came in, due to a possible paperwork mistake, and took all monies on the tables and in the cashiers area.
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There was about half of the community center's space used as bingo ( Seasoned citizens), Blackjack, 3 card, and the rest texas hold'em. Two hundred players, at least. Perhaps, the original post is in the archives of John's board.
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My understanding is, the mistake possibly was not there, or did not warrant the raid. I could be wrong.
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But, those who entered a case to recoup the mopney the police wuld not give a receipt for, were told to come and testify.
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For that, one must lose a day's pay of work, on something that has been faught for years.
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Some did show up to testify for the morning case, but then, it was moved to that afternoon, haveing some players needing to leave.
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So, those who testified, and some were reportedly not beleivable in why the bought in for so much money at the poker tables, were the only ones to get money back from this case.
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Surprising any did get anything back, but then, all should have had all their money given back, without the jumping through hoops, and paying a lawyer.
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I "wrote off" that money, but just giving the ending to that.
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That...
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I read some of the players who write on here, but some do not FOCUS. And when another seasoned player refers to FOCUS, they still do not get it.
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I am refering to YOU JAMES. You need to have two games to learn , and I will give you ONE MORE chance, and if you do not take it, you will be swimming in that pondscum forever.
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You choice will come from Craps, roulette, Bac.
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If you do decide you want to learn to win a gambling, then choose. DO not tell me of having fun, what your co workers or players say, what I NEED to do, what could happen, what the big bad casino people are doing. Stupid talk of maximum bet spreads.
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How many times does one bet the max? I don't!
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your mission, should you decide to accept, is report what you trip bankroll will be. Some on this board, using JP knowledge, will tell you what to bet, how to bet, set your WG<LL, and your sesion amounts.
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If you have the MENTAL inteligence to take this undertaking, and throw ut all this garbage you write in your replies, then JUST REPLY YES, or if you want to play games which you will not PROFIT, with methods that you have not had six months of PROFITS
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Then reply No. I do npot want to here your un FOCUSED wanderings.
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YOU, are given ONE MORE CHANCE, ONLY. If you cannot adhgere to exactly what we lay out, do not take up the offer. Here is the fork in the road, I, myself, say you do not have what it takes, because you have not shown the TOUGHNESS of frame of mind, when you mention what your friends saY, THE CASINO SAYS, having fun? You talk of making m oney, but Have you made $50 a day/$75/$100/$200 a day on a consistent time period? You talk of amounts far greater than that. If you cannot make the smaller amounts....
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The action is the same, the chip amount is not relevant to what decisions one makes.
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Perhaps, this one lapse to possibly direct you for one more chance, is showing a weakness. I do not care what you do, but maybe I jsut might want to NOT see those stupid partagraphs of nonsense which is counterproductive to winning!
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Allright JF, I tried to tear you down, because you need to start from scratch and build back up. ANY variations of focus, and the deal is off.
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| JOHN PATRICK |
| | 04/21/09 at 03:41 PM | | #13 |
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Rick
as usual...........a very thoughtful and intelligent REALITY post and I would lketo jump in...on two separate instances .........
1) James Fritz...........I have long since crosed you ooff as someone who relly wants to learn HOW to gamble becaue of the useless and bloated amounteds and stories you print ........
Don't get me wrong .....I am NOT at odds with you ......I have no animosity towards you.........I merely wanted toh help you become a better player but you refused to stay focused on one or two games just as Rick mentioned .......
Maybe, jus tmaybe, with ricks (and others contributing) you and some others will pick up some much needed advice and REEALITY readings about this thing called gambling .........
sooooooooooooooo, I will bit my tongue, and relax the moratorium I have put on writing to you IF IF IF IF IF IF IF you will adhere to ricks advice and concentrate on ricks ksuggestions ....and bring your thoughts down to a realistic amount of potential kprofit at the tables ........say 20% or even a sky krocketing 30%..........but keep it to the subject at hand and forget the rambling........
I will contribute (alng with rick and hopfully others to exchange ideas as to what it will take to get you on the right course to understanding gambling ........
becaue right now.....after 4-5 yers of your posting ............youare (honestly) at Level I.......and that is not meant to be an insult ..........
merely a statement of fact .......so put a sock n your mouth, ipen your ears and maybe you will learn form rick and the others (I will be alongfor the ride and maybe I can also gain from the ideas and thoughts of others .......
when do you start ????? As soon as you get the sock firmly entrenched in said place ..........and Bingo.........we are off to the REALITY factory!!!!!!!1
Rick.........I sure do remember that thread from a couple of years ago when you were caught up in that raid (some disgruntled loser or friend of same dropped a dime).........
What I am curious about .........what happened to the people "running" the event ....wer they charged with anything .a crime or fostering gambling ??????
We all know it is a bogus charge .........as I can think of about 3000 other underhanded events going on in this country right now (lets start with the gar bage in Washington)......but that's another story!!!!!!!!!!
Does this put an end to your card playing get togethers or was this just an isolated "raid " to send a message .......
with the tremendous number of people that are surely affected if they close down all of the outlets for people to get together for these friendly little games ............where do these people (and yo??????) now find solace in the outcome of these get togethers ?????????
I remember years ago (many years ago) in the days of the "bookies" in the sitting rooms of local families kwho LENT their phones on a weekend for a stipend as the BIYS moved from location to location, always one step ahead of crashing doors ........
the "raids" always co incided with big events .........World Series ...........Super Bowl............Playoffs .......Sunday afternoon games .........Thanksgiving and other "big events" since the BOYS were pretty busy on those days .........
Was this the case of your recent visit ..........or was it another case of a guy dropping a dime ...because he or she ran up against a run of bad luck at this establishment ?????
Anyhow..........I hoppe your awakening call to James will get his attention........and maybe some others will benefit from the upcoming advice ......
I am always anxious to hear something beneficial in this (WWWW)........."wicked wicked world of wagering "
JOHN PATRICK
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| Rick K |
| | 04/22/09 at 11:45 AM | | #14 |
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Regarding the state police raid of local "charity" casino night of years ago:
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Possible reasons of the action...
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1) There have been a few "operators" who run these events and rent the required equipment to the charities and set up and removal of equipment to the various locations.
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...a) These locations must be held at places such as VFW, Moose lodge, gov. building, church. There is a certain charitable code number these charities must posses to offer a casino night/vegas night. If all ducks ar not in a row, possible reason to be shut down.
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...b) Some "operators" have been arrested for not being in compliance, or other infractions of the law pertaining to these events. On such operator was found to have about a $200k-$1,000,000 stashed in a freezer ifg I rememebr correctly.
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...c) Rumor had it, and you nailed this,one such operator who was SHUT DOWN, compromised his situation by working w/ those enforcers, to shut down the rest and was seen to pop his head in this community building prior to the entrance of the enforcers. Perhaps true, perhaps not...
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2) A very high ranking bussinessman is running a year long POKER ROOM in downtown Cleveland. An exemption from OHIO LAW?, but a different charity every week get the proceeds, and the dealers are truely volunteers. So, the dealers know very little if anything about dealing, or the game itself. Any disputes on one's hand or paying the wrong person usually has the City police say that is the way it is, or leave! This is what has really KILLED local casino nights.
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...a) So, possible "cleaning up " the competition in the area may also be a reason.
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Where did the games go from there?
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1) There are still casino nights, but...
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...a) There is not any advertising in the local paper as was the case.
...b) TRhere is no signs outside the VFW's advertising a csino night.
...c) Many cities have said legal or not, they do not want them in their city, and will not allow a permit.
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...d) One operator, who was a dealer at Binons the time you were "doing vegas", was told by local police, the state said they will come and shut him down if he operates. So he has "quit", and he was the most "honest" of the operators.
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There a many LOCAL SCHOOLS, which have a poker tourney from time to time. They keep about half the money, so it is not the best place to risk the buy-in, even though where-ever one plays, the same group of advantage players are there and the cream rises to the top. This Saturday, there is one HIGH SCHOOL holding a tourney at an " Irish-American" club. $5000 prize pool. We just had a game ther last week, but in the basement!
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There are many "home games", and these charity events still do go on, but years ago, 150 could be in the tournament, and then last week, there were 30. There are not the fresh supply of know it all players from watching tv coming into the game.
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As you once mentioned, a player will find a game, or start one!
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Lock'em up POKR,
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| Rick K |
| | 04/26/09 at 10:00 AM | | #15 |
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NO CHICK in the parking lot!
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As John has shared one of his "security" methods of a traveling poker game, a nearby "home game" never thought of the idea.
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This past week, a poker game held inside a business, for eleven close freinds was robbed.
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AK 47, shotgun, and hand guns were used by multiple robbers. "somehow" they gained access to enter the area, and had all players lay on the ground. Many times, the barrels were touching the back of the players head.
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Cash, wallets, and jewelry were taken. The estimated value of stolen items was over $78,000.
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A few years ago, another nearby robbery of a "charity" event, had all players stripped, and the robbers took all the clothes and money from the game.
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These two insidences were reported on the local TV news. The one's that happen, without being reported, we never talk about,but they do happen. Even when there are elaborate cameras outside.
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My dad told me of a "time", and this is before WWII, in a place very nearby, which is now called " little Italy ", where there was a machine gun mounted right inside the door of a "home Game".
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There is one game on Monday's that I will not go to. It is in the middle of the woods in a side room of a "vfw". Total darkness from one's car to walk to the pokergame. In poker, one chooses the situation he puts himself in, when to enter the game/hand.. Same is true before the game even starts!
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I have seen knives pulled, guns drawn, fights, and raids at poker games. That may be called "heat", not the talk at the craps table of the stick man waving his stick, or the box man saying to hit the back wall with the roll of the dice.
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Rick K |
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