| tom c |
| | 01/29/12 at 01:51 PM | | #1 |
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Hi everyone,
As I become more efficient with JP's methods of right and wrong betting, I'd like to know your opinions on hedging a "working" come out roll with the 6&8 placed(after the 1st regression)and adding a $41 no 10, and $4 hard 10? I know I can also place the 10 for $10 to act as a hedge for the $41 no 10.
Thanks
Tom |
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| Rick K |
| | 01/29/12 at 08:44 PM | | #2 |
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Tom C.,
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Being under the weather, I am "here" instead of at a poker table. So, I will give you my opinion, as you asked.
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NO...
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I remember taking my lady to a neighboring casino and the inside numbers were flying all over the place, and no fours or tens.
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I placed the insides, and layed the 4/10. That was what was happening, and it continued. Even though successful, I never played that was again.
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1)Laying the four, and or ten is only to protect a DC bet, then it is removed for my exposure to that move.
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2)Laying a number is like breaking even, due to tha amount paid is fractional to the lay amount.
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3)Your "move" is so watered down, making it more difficult to increase profit to an amount to get into G/E.
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4) Pick one side, and when hitting, start the process on that side, whether it is Place, or don't.
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5) Have confidence in your chosen play, and do NOT be afraid of losing. We have loss limits in place when this can and does happen.
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Again, I think I racked up $998 on that session, but I learned to not do that again. I was playing a hot roll, so just placing those numbers would have resulted in a large win anyway. And, I would need less money to play the trend, since I will not need money to cover to 4/10.
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To tie-in with this going one way or the other, since my session amount is a set amount, perhaps my place bets could have been higher, if I did not need the money to lay bet? Thus, kicking off more profit by session's end.
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NOW,Tom, we also have the REGRESSION as you mentioned, and the TAKE ME DOWN. Multiple regressions, and even leave the SAME BET for a couple of hits on your up and pull.
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This helps cushion the seven showing by slowly increasing your total amount on the felt..
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That is what I do...
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Rick K |
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| vig |
| | 01/30/12 at 01:38 AM | | #3 |
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I've tried similar moves and have had mixed results. Its too much of a "high-risk" strategy move, Tom, so like my man Rick advises......stay away
Dont know if this addresses your question, but................ to protect your comeout (and you will find this somewhere in JP's Craps books:
$25 PL
$12 6 Working
$12 8 Working
$3 3 way craps
Do the math and you see that you are fully protected. In a worse case scenario, you lose $2.
Big4Lil34ever
hppy winning
vig |
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| tom c |
| | 01/30/12 at 08:09 AM | | #4 |
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Rick K,
Thanks for your reply.
I realize hedges aren't for everybody, and appreciate your advice about watering down the bet.
I've been playing JP's "follow the trend" method ($44 inside/ricochet) with moderate success. Just wondering if adding a 1 roll hedge to protect my inside $44 against the PSO, or after I regress on a hit was advisable.
Thanks
Tom C |
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| Kevin in Atlanta |
| | 01/30/12 at 12:53 PM | | #5 |
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Hi Tom,
With respect, I think you've got a few really bad ideas going there.
Certainly, if you like to Place the 6/8, sure leave it working for the come out.
Hedging it however, by Laying the 4 or 10, IMO is not a good move. I don't mind Laying the 4/10 on a Ric move, it's serving a purpose and you take it down after a roll when you establish your Don't. I do prefer to Lay the 5/9 in that case.
And I guess, protecting your 6/8 with a Lay bet is a move some would make, BUT not after a regression. The assumption is that you have regressed after a hit or 2, so you should be up (on that hand/series/game) at that point anyway.
Bottomline, protecting the 6/8 (or any place bets) with a Lay seems like playing w/scared money to me. Rick K had it exactly right, don't be afraid to loose and let the LL protect you.
Now, the really bad move is the $4 Hardway. I hate prop bets anyway! High vigs (11.1%), playing scared. THat's bad enough, but that HW is a hedge on your hedge. Really bad!
Same with Placing the 4/10 (6.67%) to hedge your Lay 4/10 which is hedging your 6/8. Yikes, hedging you hedge again.
If you are placing the 6/8, which I love, leave it naked. It's a 1.52% vig, hardly much better and let your LL protect you.
FWIW,
Kevin
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| tom c |
| | 01/30/12 at 02:43 PM | | #6 |
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vig,
Thanks for your advice. I'm just not a fan of PL betting. JP has mentioned in his books about the $41 no 10 hedge(including an optional $2 hard 10) and placing the inside numbers for 2 hits or 2 rolls. It sounds good, but apparently from yours and Ricks posts, they haven't worked well for you.
This was something I was considering at my next outing in 2 weeks, but will watch for now to see if it's worth it.
Thank you
Tom |
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| tom c |
| | 01/30/12 at 05:43 PM | | #7 |
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Kevin,
good to hear from you again,
I wouldn't say I was playing with scared money. I follow JP's money management guidelines and was just curious if anyone was hedging the "do" side as a place bettor.
I do play the RIC, laying the point as a hedge for my DC to travel, then remove it. I've also been adding a $1 yo against the 11, but am on the fence as far as that bet goes(cost vs. protection). Depending on my bankroll, I'll bet $44 inside and regress to $6 6&8, or $24 6&8 and regress. When I reach my WG (approx. $100), I'll up and pull the excess.
It's the loss of the initial $44 that has me wondering if there is a decent hedge. JP's books have mentioned the $41 no 10 or 4 hedge against the 7 for no more than 2 hits or 2 rolls. I also believe that JP has the bets "working" on new come out rolls if he won the first bet and regressed.
I'm not yet convinced to attempt this play, however I'm always learning, hopefully for the better.
Your opinions are greatly appreciated
Thanks Kevin,
Tom |
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| Dave G_CT |
| | 02/01/12 at 05:22 PM | | #8 |
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| you can do what Heavy does- wait for at least an inside number being rolled before putting your 444 in action.There are no guarantees however.Forget WOTCO |
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| tom c |
| | 02/01/12 at 09:09 PM | | #9 |
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Dave G_Ct,
Forget WOTCO, That seems to be the concensus. I will forget this method.
Thanks Dave |
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